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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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Willis your host and we have a great one

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for you this evening Ron James I watched

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his video that just came out and it's

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called accidental truth and it is really

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good and you can find that in several

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places we're going to have it we

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actually have it right in the link right

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now down in the text that is of the

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YouTube video if you're watching that

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live and you can go right to it from

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there and so Ronald be on in just a

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second I want to tell you a couple

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things are uh blog this week from

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Charles Lear is the Snoopy 2 helicopter

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UFO encounter it was a uh another

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helicopter case you always think of the

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lieutenant coin incident back in October

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of 1973 which was really very amazing in

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of it happened back in 1977 and it was a

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great work again by Charles Lear so

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podcast ufo.com and you can support the

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podcast I know there are commercials

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show and I'm going to bring our guest in

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in just a minute but I want to play

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tonight and this is a Michael schrat

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talking since the early 1900s there have

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been reports of crashed UFOs for over a

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century hundreds of witnesses have

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shared their accounts there were 119

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1941 Cape Girardeau Missouri where there

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retrieval there was a small egg-shaped

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James welcome to the show Ron

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lot and there are some uh you know there

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to speed for the topic today and

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the film where we're just making wild

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their own minds but I think we make a

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activist and uh I'm not sure exactly

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what type of activist she is but I like

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bright young lady she uh she she is a

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this whole UFO topic to begin with well

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Bassett to produce one of his

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conference and it was like I'm watching

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deception ever perpetrated on humanity

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where you know I'm producing all the

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that's true but I've done a lot hundreds

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disclosure dialogues which won the Ebe

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separately and then finally I got around

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to get him back but uh he said some

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profound things lately it was in I put

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it's in the show notes and everything

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there but you know basically

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was like whoa you know um but in your

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little cautious we don't know exactly

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travel or another planet in a planetary

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that we can't even think of as well that

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we're getting visited by who knows

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that you know we call it there's a thing

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toward the end and we call it the a word

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it's like okay why aren't these guys

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coming out and saying okay it's aliens

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and and we go over all the different

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things that it might be right and you

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um pretty much saying yes they're here

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to blow wide open the whole field

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between the whistleblowers showing up in

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in Capitol Hill and talking to Congress

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behind closed doors and the fact that

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were before it's about to explode and

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for people that that want to get brought

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film that I did accidental truth is for

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if you're a person who's never studied

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the topic but you want to know like

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book I could read or one movie I can

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watch yes I get that too yeah I tried to

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make the movie that you could watch if

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you don't know much about the topic it

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lays out the case and and one thing I

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didn't do was go off in in um you know

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can prove or make a good case for is

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compelling enough so it's a it's a very

273
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up the middle factual as if I was an

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attorney and my audience you guys are

275
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the jury and I'm trying to make this

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case and and that's what film is and so

277
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I think it's perfectly timed because

278
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this thing is about to get huge

279
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yes I've been getting some uh well I I

280
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can't really talk much about the details

281
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um because I really don't know them but

282
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I do hear that there is something pretty

283
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much ready to break loose that it's kind

284
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of exciting now we've heard these things

285
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before over the years time and time

286
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again but um from what I am gathering

287
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this could be a little bit different and

288
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much more substantial than prior well I

289
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can tell you a little bit

290
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um because you know I'm also the media

291
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relations director for mufon and what

292
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that means is that when uh somebody like

293
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Ancient Aliens wants to approach mufon

294
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for Content or work with us in some way

295
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I'm the guy that does that so I work on

296
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the proof is out there a lot I work on

297
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uh The Unexplained with William Shatner

298
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sometimes and I work on um uh I just did

299
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a lot of work on Ancient Aliens and

300
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finally got to be on the show but

301
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another thing is is that uh mufan has

302
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been behind the scenes in Washington DC

303
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lobbying Congress and working with with

304
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sitting members of Congress and we were

305
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instrumental in some of the language in

306
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the legislation that's that was passed

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that holds the government accountable uh

308
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the military to be accountable to

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Congress and also this whistleblower

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thing that's that they've put in there

311
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and that's taken a little while to put

312
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together what what this means is that at

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this point in time there is a mechanism

314
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for people that want to talk about like

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you know they worked in reverse

316
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engineering or they know things to be

317
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able to go behind closed doors still

318
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it's not like they're allowed to call a

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press conference at the national Press

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Club and tell the world what they know

321
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but they've got protection to go to

322
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Congress and say hey behind closed doors

323
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and say hey this is what's going on and

324
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it's huge because it's happening there's

325
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going to be like in the next couple of

326
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weeks so people going there and having

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some serious conversations and and so

328
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are people on these intelligence

329
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committees are going to be confronted

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with some real data that that they're um

331
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you know whether or not they're going to

332
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be able to go public with it that's a

333
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different story we work with uh Andre

334
00:14:07,970 --> 00:14:05,700
Carson and all these guys oh that's

335
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funny talk to Richard yes I am arguing

336
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the case for uh the UFO

337
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um reality it's true in the film but um

338
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yeah so so this is about to break I

339
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don't know if we're going to hear the

340
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whistleblowers testimony publicly but

341
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we're going to know that it's happening

342
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and I know that there's a lot of people

343
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on these intelligence committees that

344
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are on our side they want to get as much

345
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information as possible to us the the

346
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sitting Congress and and even really a

347
00:14:36,170 --> 00:14:34,380
lot of the guys in the military they're

348
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not our quote-unquote enemy they're not

349
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the ones that have been keeping the

350
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secret they've been kept in the dark

351
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just as much as the rest of us

352
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you know there's a point somewhere in

353
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your movie I do believe where someone

354
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talks about

355
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a project going

356
00:14:56,210 --> 00:14:54,779
um you know from uh involved any

357
00:14:57,769 --> 00:14:56,220
anything involved in the government and

358
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then goes into private hands where

359
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there's no oversight

360
00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:02,519
um do you think there's a lot of that

361
00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:04,380
has been a lot of that and do you think

362
00:15:08,030 --> 00:15:06,000
that will continue

363
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to be like a veil that will never be

364
00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:09,660
able to really Pierce all the way

365
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through and figure out exactly what's

366
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happening

367
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I think that's 100 correct I think

368
00:15:19,009 --> 00:15:16,880
almost all of this information

369
00:15:20,930 --> 00:15:19,019
has been stove piped and

370
00:15:23,150 --> 00:15:20,940
compartmentalized and fed to Private

371
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Industry and it's all out of the scope

372
00:15:28,189 --> 00:15:25,980
of the Freedom of Information Act and

373
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and that's all by Design and the thing

374
00:15:32,689 --> 00:15:31,079
that's even worse the the the sad thing

375
00:15:34,610 --> 00:15:32,699
about all of this is that a lot of this

376
00:15:37,550 --> 00:15:34,620
information

377
00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:37,560
may not have much institutional memory

378
00:15:41,629 --> 00:15:39,660
as in through the body politic the

379
00:15:43,790 --> 00:15:41,639
military and the government and some of

380
00:15:46,730 --> 00:15:43,800
it might be lost forever and that's

381
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:46,740
really a um that's really a shame if if

382
00:15:50,990 --> 00:15:48,720
that's the case but we ran into some

383
00:15:53,569 --> 00:15:51,000
things during during the film where we

384
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realized that there's elements of of the

385
00:15:57,850 --> 00:15:55,320
people that have managed this secrecy

386
00:16:01,370 --> 00:15:57,860
that have no problem destroying evidence

387
00:16:03,170 --> 00:16:01,380
and that's really scary because the idea

388
00:16:05,569 --> 00:16:03,180
that things that mean so much to

389
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humanity could be lost forever through

390
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:07,380
either people dying and not passing on

391
00:16:13,069 --> 00:16:10,320
the secrets or just destruction of of

392
00:16:16,129 --> 00:16:13,079
evidence that's really shocking and sad

393
00:16:17,389 --> 00:16:16,139
and we may never get the truth

394
00:16:20,090 --> 00:16:17,399
yeah

395
00:16:22,730 --> 00:16:20,100
um that you know there there is I've

396
00:16:25,310 --> 00:16:22,740
always thought about like whoever's a

397
00:16:27,710 --> 00:16:25,320
guardian of something

398
00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:27,720
you know in like is this a generational

399
00:16:31,129 --> 00:16:30,000
thing passed down and wherever it's

400
00:16:35,689 --> 00:16:31,139
located

401
00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:35,699
you know is is it is it passed on and

402
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:39,120
forward or like you said is it going to

403
00:16:43,550 --> 00:16:41,279
go away because it's not

404
00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:43,560
you know public knowledge is that is

405
00:16:47,689 --> 00:16:45,600
that something coming on my end here a

406
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:47,699
beeping noise do you hear that

407
00:16:52,009 --> 00:16:49,680
um I hear it it's yeah it's not me

408
00:16:53,930 --> 00:16:52,019
I did mute it because I had to cough but

409
00:16:55,610 --> 00:16:53,940
oh yeah okay

410
00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:55,620
um but anyway so what do you think about

411
00:17:01,850 --> 00:16:58,320
that I mean do you think that things

412
00:17:04,669 --> 00:17:01,860
will never get see the the light of day

413
00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:04,679
for instance let's just talk about

414
00:17:10,250 --> 00:17:06,959
um big I'm trying to think of where that

415
00:17:13,549 --> 00:17:10,260
uh Big Sur that video that was taken you

416
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:13,559
know years ago of the object shooting

417
00:17:19,069 --> 00:17:16,319
the uh the Warhead that was a dummy

418
00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:19,079
Warhead but zapping at it and it was all

419
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:20,880
caught on film and then the film went

420
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:23,760
away or Gordon Cooper's film it kind of

421
00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:25,679
goes away do you think these things are

422
00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:27,959
are gone forever or do you think that

423
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:30,660
somehow they may see the light of day

424
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:33,120
and we may be able to get access to

425
00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:36,240
these things that are I mean if that's

426
00:17:38,810 --> 00:17:37,679
not really good evidence I'm not sure

427
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:38,820
what is

428
00:17:43,490 --> 00:17:41,280
yeah you know it's it's a shame because

429
00:17:45,289 --> 00:17:43,500
I think that the answer very well might

430
00:17:47,930 --> 00:17:45,299
be this stuff's gone

431
00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:47,940
um when we look at the section in

432
00:17:52,190 --> 00:17:49,620
accidental Truth where we talk about the

433
00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:52,200
Blue Room at Wright-Patterson there was

434
00:17:56,810 --> 00:17:55,260
a rumor about the uh this room at Wright

435
00:17:59,210 --> 00:17:56,820
Patterson they nicknamed it the blue

436
00:18:01,370 --> 00:17:59,220
room for a variety of reasons but that

437
00:18:02,990 --> 00:18:01,380
was supposedly in the underground Hangar

438
00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:03,000
where they had a lot of this evidence

439
00:18:07,310 --> 00:18:05,460
and we reflect on Barry Goldwater

440
00:18:09,289 --> 00:18:07,320
attempting to get to it and he was

441
00:18:12,110 --> 00:18:09,299
chased off by Curtis LeMay who ran the

442
00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:12,120
base at the time and so some people did

443
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:13,740
a whole lot of Freedom of Information

444
00:18:18,110 --> 00:18:16,320
Act requests trying to find out because

445
00:18:20,450 --> 00:18:18,120
there was a rumor that the contents of

446
00:18:22,610 --> 00:18:20,460
the Blue Room were filmed well it was a

447
00:18:24,590 --> 00:18:22,620
big run around it took years and finally

448
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:24,600
a response came from the Department of

449
00:18:28,970 --> 00:18:26,400
Defense from the from Wright-Patterson

450
00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:28,980
that said well check with these media

451
00:18:33,230 --> 00:18:31,320
guys they might have a record so this

452
00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:33,240
guy and and I didn't name him in the

453
00:18:37,390 --> 00:18:35,220
film just because I wanted to protect

454
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:37,400
his privacy but we do have the documents

455
00:18:43,610 --> 00:18:41,039
so this guy goes and he petitions this

456
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:43,620
media department and sure enough they

457
00:18:49,850 --> 00:18:46,880
come back they had the file it was uh

458
00:18:52,010 --> 00:18:49,860
footage shot of the blue room project it

459
00:18:54,409 --> 00:18:52,020
was called it had a media assignment

460
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,419
number and then it said ah it was

461
00:18:59,210 --> 00:18:56,640
destroyed in the late 50s

462
00:19:00,830 --> 00:18:59,220
um and if it was really destroyed we

463
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:00,840
proved that it existed we know what it

464
00:19:05,210 --> 00:19:03,120
was about and if they really destroyed

465
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,220
it and and it's not in some Raiders of

466
00:19:09,049 --> 00:19:07,440
the Lost Ark archive somewhere that's a

467
00:19:12,049 --> 00:19:09,059
real shame because that that film is

468
00:19:13,850 --> 00:19:12,059
gone forever and we're learning more and

469
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:13,860
more that that might be the case with a

470
00:19:18,049 --> 00:19:16,080
lot of this stuff that you know you hear

471
00:19:19,610 --> 00:19:18,059
stuff about the military you know some

472
00:19:21,049 --> 00:19:19,620
Mission went wrong in some foreign

473
00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:21,059
country and they erase all the evidence

474
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:23,580
it never happened and there might have

475
00:19:27,169 --> 00:19:24,720
been a certain amount of that happening

476
00:19:29,450 --> 00:19:27,179
with the UFO thing too which would be

477
00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:29,460
just just a shame if some of this

478
00:19:35,630 --> 00:19:31,980
information is really gone forever

479
00:19:39,890 --> 00:19:35,640
uh Michio kakus in this as well and I

480
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,900
like a number of things that he says and

481
00:19:44,029 --> 00:19:42,000
um he doesn't think and I I agree with

482
00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:44,039
him that the whole world's going to fall

483
00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:46,620
apart if we find out you know that we

484
00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:49,320
are being visited by extraterrestrials

485
00:19:55,130 --> 00:19:52,140
say for one or wherever they're from

486
00:19:57,710 --> 00:19:55,140
um if it comes out that it's you know an

487
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:57,720
evidential Truth uh we're not all going

488
00:20:01,010 --> 00:19:59,760
to fall apart I really don't think so

489
00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:01,020
and I think

490
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,179
it seems now for the people that are

491
00:20:08,210 --> 00:20:05,280
paying attention I should say because a

492
00:20:10,250 --> 00:20:08,220
lot of people I talk to have no clue oh

493
00:20:12,049 --> 00:20:10,260
the Pentagon is looking in the UFOs

494
00:20:13,610 --> 00:20:12,059
really I've never heard you know I mean

495
00:20:16,370 --> 00:20:13,620
a lot of people don't pay attention to

496
00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:16,380
that so it will be kind of a shock to a

497
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:17,820
lot of them but I think for a lot of

498
00:20:23,330 --> 00:20:20,400
people it'll be like oh well that makes

499
00:20:26,270 --> 00:20:23,340
sense you know this is making sense

500
00:20:27,890 --> 00:20:26,280
um and this is fascinating I mean how

501
00:20:30,590 --> 00:20:27,900
can it get more fascinating in my

502
00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:30,600
opinion I don't think it could then uh

503
00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:33,660
then for any of any of this to uh have

504
00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:35,160
real evidence

505
00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:37,260
there's two things that you mention here

506
00:20:42,830 --> 00:20:40,860
and you know the first one is what is

507
00:20:45,230 --> 00:20:42,840
Humanity's response going to be and and

508
00:20:46,970 --> 00:20:45,240
I'll get to that but the uh the other

509
00:20:48,590 --> 00:20:46,980
one is the

510
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,600
um the whole way that this thing is

511
00:20:52,850 --> 00:20:50,400
laying out and

512
00:20:55,549 --> 00:20:52,860
what they're doing ever since the story

513
00:20:57,710 --> 00:20:55,559
came out in 2017 which I believe was you

514
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,720
know kind of an approved upon method for

515
00:21:01,970 --> 00:20:59,520
for getting information out not

516
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:01,980
disclosure per se because that you know

517
00:21:04,850 --> 00:21:03,360
they don't want to disclose everything

518
00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:04,860
but to start getting the information

519
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,020
into the vernacular the public that

520
00:21:10,909 --> 00:21:09,120
we're not alone so they had this thing

521
00:21:12,890 --> 00:21:10,919
Lou and Chris and and all the other guys

522
00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:12,900
that came out with to the Stars Academy

523
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:16,620
uh helped put off all these guys

524
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,440
this was part of we're going to break

525
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,360
the story in the New York Times

526
00:21:24,590 --> 00:21:23,280
then we're going to really we're going

527
00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:24,600
to come out with the two of the Stars

528
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:26,160
Academy and these guys are going to be

529
00:21:30,409 --> 00:21:27,840
shepherding information to the public

530
00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:30,419
through these people but that thing kind

531
00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:32,039
of fell apart and it kind of met some

532
00:21:36,370 --> 00:21:34,500
opposition but the whole purpose of it

533
00:21:39,890 --> 00:21:36,380
was to

534
00:21:42,169 --> 00:21:39,900
whitewash the entire past since before

535
00:21:45,289 --> 00:21:42,179
Roswell all the way up until the Robert

536
00:21:48,169 --> 00:21:45,299
Bigelow stuff started so that they don't

537
00:21:49,610 --> 00:21:48,179
have to have this accountability for any

538
00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:49,620
of the things that went on so now they

539
00:21:53,149 --> 00:21:51,299
could say oh wow look at this we started

540
00:21:56,029 --> 00:21:53,159
looking at this in 2004 there was no

541
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,039
government programs before then and and

542
00:22:00,289 --> 00:21:58,320
make it up like it just happened and

543
00:22:02,210 --> 00:22:00,299
please people watch accidental truth

544
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,220
it's not expensive to watch it but it

545
00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:04,320
lays out this whole thing and when you

546
00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:06,900
see General Samford in the 1950s saying

547
00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:09,720
almost exactly verbatim the same kind of

548
00:22:14,270 --> 00:22:11,940
things that that Lewis saying the same

549
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,280
kind of things that that these Moultrie

550
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,320
and Bray were saying at the hearings I

551
00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:18,720
mean we put it side by side and it's so

552
00:22:23,630 --> 00:22:20,700
obvious and so compelling that we just

553
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:23,640
have to laugh yeah that was great how

554
00:22:30,110 --> 00:22:26,480
you did that I love that

555
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:30,120
all right yeah so 70 years or whatever

556
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,580
it's been you know we have a question in

557
00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:34,559
the chat from somebody you don't mind if

558
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,299
I'm watching this dude no no no no not

559
00:22:41,390 --> 00:22:38,480
at all just uh tell me which question is

560
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:41,400
please don't put your questions in caps

561
00:22:45,890 --> 00:22:44,220
okay what is it he's asking why UFOs are

562
00:22:48,350 --> 00:22:45,900
all different shapes oh yeah you know

563
00:22:49,970 --> 00:22:48,360
Colonel John Alexander is in this movie

564
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,980
actually admitting that he was running

565
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,840
programs that he never admitted yeah I'm

566
00:22:55,789 --> 00:22:53,280
gonna play that clip in a second if you

567
00:22:57,049 --> 00:22:55,799
want I have that clip yeah but one of

568
00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:57,059
the things that he says is that there's

569
00:23:00,529 --> 00:22:58,679
this has a lot to do with Consciousness

570
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,539
and subjective reality and the reason

571
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:02,400
that we see so many different shapes is

572
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,740
because a there's multiple phenomena on

573
00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:07,200
play and B there could be a serious

574
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:09,659
interaction with individual

575
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:12,600
um subjective Consciousness that is at

576
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,760
play here so in other words you could

577
00:23:18,590 --> 00:23:16,559
see there could be five people standing

578
00:23:20,930 --> 00:23:18,600
on the beach one will see the UFO saucer

579
00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:20,940
and four others might see a seagull it

580
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,980
all has to do with our our relation to

581
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,200
physical reality and so that's why they

582
00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:27,120
are so many different things here is

583
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,159
because there's multiple phenomenon at

584
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,400
play and uh yeah

585
00:23:36,529 --> 00:23:34,559
well you know I I

586
00:23:39,289 --> 00:23:36,539
Steve John Alexander in this movie

587
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:39,299
actually has substantiated stories he

588
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:41,100
accidentally tells me the truth it's one

589
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:42,720
of the reasons the film's got that name

590
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,720
oh that's funny okay yeah here's uh he

591
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:48,000
didn't mean to but oh that's even better

592
00:23:52,970 --> 00:23:49,740
here's John Alexander here in the clip

593
00:23:55,370 --> 00:23:52,980
Colonel John Alexander in 1985 he came

594
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,380
the director of advanced concepts at the

595
00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:58,320
U.S army lab after retiring from the

596
00:24:05,630 --> 00:24:01,140
Army John Alexander worked at Los Alamos

597
00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:05,640
National Labs in 1995 Alexander took a

598
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:07,620
position at a new research group called

599
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:09,840
nids The National Institute for

600
00:24:15,049 --> 00:24:12,960
Discovery Sciences nids was founded by a

601
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:15,059
Nevada billionaire Robert Bigelow

602
00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:17,460
shortly after forming nids Robert

603
00:24:22,370 --> 00:24:19,500
Bigelow bought the famous paranormal

604
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:22,380
site known as Skinwalker Ranch John

605
00:24:27,169 --> 00:24:25,559
Alexander was there there was no single

606
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:27,179
phenomena that was happening at the

607
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,419
ranch the stories are so bizarre we

608
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,640
should end up though with is something

609
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:35,760
that is terribly complex maybe more

610
00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:38,220
complex than we can imagine

611
00:24:43,310 --> 00:24:40,980
it wasn't long before strange reports of

612
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:43,320
unusual activity at the ranch attracted

613
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,640
the attention of the defense

614
00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:47,520
intelligence agency Robert Bigelow went

615
00:24:52,669 --> 00:24:49,740
on to form Bigelow Advanced Aerospace

616
00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:52,679
studies bass as the evolved version of

617
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,320
nids he was quickly rewarded with a

618
00:25:00,649 --> 00:24:58,080
defense intelligence agency contract to

619
00:25:05,090 --> 00:25:00,659
study subjects closely tied to the UAP

620
00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:07,909
well there's another one uh where he

621
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:09,780
talks about the Consciousness I can't

622
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,340
remember what that clip is called I

623
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,960
might be able to pull that up

624
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:14,640
yeah there's a few that are out there on

625
00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:17,159
YouTube whoever Anonymous Rex is I don't

626
00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:18,600
know if I know you or not but thank you

627
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:20,820
so much for for the gracious things that

628
00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:22,679
you're saying it means a lot

629
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:25,500
oh yes I saw that yes

630
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,760
um yeah so this the part of

631
00:25:33,529 --> 00:25:31,919
you make Alabama Wyatt yes Matthew

632
00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:33,539
Modine I forgot to mention it Matthew

633
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,059
Modine from stranger things full metal

634
00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:38,640
jacket and uh obviously yeah he's doing

635
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:41,340
the voice yeah yes he is my narrator and

636
00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:43,080
what's really funny is he's got he's in

637
00:25:50,029 --> 00:25:46,140
that new movie coming up Oppenheimer and

638
00:25:51,890 --> 00:25:50,039
he plays get this van over Bush and when

639
00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:51,900
I had breakfast with Matthew I was like

640
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:53,340
you know the guy you're playing in

641
00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:55,320
Oppenheimer is rumored to be one of the

642
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,779
members of mj-12 and he's like what's

643
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,520
that I laid the whole thing out for him

644
00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:01,200
him and I hung out I went to New York

645
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,240
and did the I didn't do it I didn't let

646
00:26:06,409 --> 00:26:04,799
him phone it in I went and we hired a

647
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,419
studio in New York and we sat together

648
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,880
for two days and did the narration but

649
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:10,080
yes I didn't mean to interrupt you

650
00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:12,299
Martin no no no no last questions I like

651
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:13,980
to help him out but yes Matthew is

652
00:26:18,769 --> 00:26:16,380
awesome in this film absolutely great

653
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,779
yes he does a great job you know I

654
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:20,960
I'm on the fence about

655
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:24,480
mj-12 you know I know Stanton Friedman

656
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:28,320
was 100 sold that it was uh you know the

657
00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:31,380
real deal but I still I still feel like

658
00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:33,000
it's

659
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,100
um I don't know about that I'm not

660
00:26:39,289 --> 00:26:36,960
really what we say in the film is that

661
00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:39,299
you know we we do mention mj-12 we'll

662
00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:40,440
even mentioned the people that are

663
00:26:43,789 --> 00:26:42,419
supposed to be in it but we also

664
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:43,799
mentioned in the film that that's very

665
00:26:48,769 --> 00:26:46,500
controversial but our point is that if

666
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,779
if that's not the actual group it does

667
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,880
stand a reason that if you got a crashed

668
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,980
UFO uh you're going and you're the

669
00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:54,480
president you're going to appoint a

670
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,000
group of people to study it and uh you

671
00:27:00,529 --> 00:26:58,799
know it might not have been mj-12 it

672
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,539
might not have been those exact guys but

673
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:02,400
it was going to be somebody because that

674
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,220
just that's just logical so so we don't

675
00:27:10,370 --> 00:27:07,919
we don't say MJ 12 was real but we don't

676
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:10,380
say it's not but we point out that if

677
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:13,080
even if that actual mj12 story isn't

678
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:14,640
true it would have been somebody like

679
00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:16,620
that doing something like that just it

680
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:18,900
would have had to have been uh someone

681
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,400
sent me a video today of a not a video

682
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:25,440
but it was a audio recording but it was

683
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:29,400
on YouTube of supposedly uh Albert

684
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:32,940
Einstein's assistant that

685
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,120
claims that she saw was flown to Roswell

686
00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:37,679
in 1947

687
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:40,380
with Einstein and saw the living

688
00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:41,520
creature

689
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,039
and she talks about it as you know it's

690
00:27:48,409 --> 00:27:46,320
a matter of fact I don't know I'm not

691
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:48,419
saying it's real I I know it's

692
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:51,600
supposedly a 1995 interview the woman's

693
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:55,260
past by now but uh but anyway

694
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:58,140
um who knows about about all that and it

695
00:28:02,330 --> 00:27:59,940
seems to me that could be I figured out

696
00:28:03,529 --> 00:28:02,340
pretty quickly though yeah it seems like

697
00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:03,539
that could be

698
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:05,940
figured out with uh I'm sure Albert

699
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,000
Einstein's travel log was is available

700
00:28:14,769 --> 00:28:12,000
somewhere on where he went different

701
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:14,779
places and I would think unless that was

702
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:17,700
classified and whatever you know I I

703
00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:19,380
don't know I don't know what to think

704
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:21,299
about it it was a pretty convincing

705
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:23,220
interview but I don't know what to think

706
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,799
yeah I heard it she had me for a little

707
00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:27,600
while but then she lost me

708
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:29,159
um somebody named Wyatt's asking about

709
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:32,039
people being willing to embrace UFOs in

710
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:33,539
an almost religious manner while they're

711
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:35,580
blowing off traditional religion it's

712
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:37,559
not really something I want to get into

713
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:40,559
um I suspect that in a lot of ways the

714
00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:43,620
religious establishments have kind of

715
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:45,179
let a lot of people down and they're

716
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:46,860
looking for something else it's really

717
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:49,320
sad but you know when we have

718
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:51,179
um the the one of the things that's

719
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:53,700
really been called to my attention is

720
00:28:58,430 --> 00:28:55,140
that there's a lot of people out there

721
00:29:01,490 --> 00:28:58,440
that Lou Elizondo told me and he also

722
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,500
said it in the show unidentified one of

723
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:03,360
the biggest things that fought him

724
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:05,640
inside the DIA and inside the Pentagon

725
00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:07,320
was this element of people that think

726
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:09,539
there's an Angelic demonic element to

727
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,640
this and that's all it is and we

728
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:13,919
shouldn't be messing with it and they

729
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:15,960
were able to summon a lot of opposition

730
00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:18,600
to This research so the whole religious

731
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:21,240
implications versus are they et's my

732
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:23,220
feeling is that there's a lot of thing

733
00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:25,500
things at play here and none of us

734
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:27,299
should be clinging to any particular

735
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:29,880
possibility we should be open to the

736
00:29:33,529 --> 00:29:31,980
fact that it could be anything and

737
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:33,539
there's a lot of people out there well

738
00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:35,580
not a lot but there's some I'm not going

739
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:37,500
to mention names but there's some people

740
00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:39,240
out there that are literally cultivating

741
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:42,059
a cult-like Essence to the UFOs and

742
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:44,820
building followers and it's it's kind of

743
00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:46,200
hard to watch because it's a little bit

744
00:29:48,769 --> 00:29:47,220
scary

745
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:48,779
well you know I was having a

746
00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:51,179
conversation with my producer today

747
00:29:58,010 --> 00:29:54,840
friend and producer and basically we

748
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:58,020
were discussing that sometimes the and

749
00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:00,059
I'm not naming names either I would like

750
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:01,200
to almost

751
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:04,860
but sometimes the more extreme the more

752
00:30:12,830 --> 00:30:08,460
far out the more followers

753
00:30:15,529 --> 00:30:12,840
you know it if it is absolutely bizarre

754
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:15,539
beyond belief then they're gonna it

755
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:17,100
seems they seemed as long as they're

756
00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:19,500
well spoken they can make you know good

757
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:22,200
arguments seemingly good arguments I

758
00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:25,020
should say uh it seems like they get a

759
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,419
huge cult following

760
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:29,279
you know and I guess that's true I guess

761
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:31,020
the more bombastic and outrageous you're

762
00:30:33,649 --> 00:30:32,340
willing to be

763
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:33,659
um the more you're going to find people

764
00:30:38,330 --> 00:30:36,360
that are willing to sign on I don't know

765
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:38,340
what that says about Humanity well

766
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:40,380
life's hard you know like people looking

767
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:43,140
for an escape you know

768
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:47,520
and yes uh so Anonymous Rex is actually

769
00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:50,100
uh he's been on this show all this time

770
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:53,100
I've seen him um listening to my show uh

771
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:55,860
that's Tim Tim Senor uh from Washington

772
00:31:02,210 --> 00:30:59,279
State we had the Tic Tac uh eyewitness

773
00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:02,220
uh was on this show so all this time

774
00:31:08,029 --> 00:31:05,220
I've seen him in chat all these uh shows

775
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:08,039
for I don't know a couple years I didn't

776
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:09,419
know that was them

777
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,220
so well you know there's there's so many

778
00:31:15,769 --> 00:31:14,159
other we have haters in this community

779
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:15,779
and it's really about

780
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,320
when accidental truth first came out

781
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:22,080
seven people went on IMDb and left at

782
00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:23,700
one star ratings before you could even

783
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:26,940
see the movie yeah and I was told some

784
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:28,980
other filmmakers that actually do this

785
00:31:33,649 --> 00:31:31,860
habitually to other UFO films and I've

786
00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:33,659
been fighting this IMDb thing where

787
00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:35,460
every time I look up there's like oh 28

788
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,860
one star ratings what's that you know

789
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:40,559
it's a full Moon Star and so the what

790
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,360
the effect it has is that when you're on

791
00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:44,640
Amazon and you see you know the Amazon

792
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:47,580
review ratings which are all good so far

793
00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:50,039
they've been pretty tight but then you

794
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:52,200
see the IMDB rating and some people can

795
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:55,320
go in they don't have to to verify they

796
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:57,000
saw the film all they have to have is an

797
00:32:01,370 --> 00:31:58,740
Amazon account and they could go in and

798
00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:01,380
hit it with stars and and then that

799
00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:03,240
shows up on Amazon right next to your

800
00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:05,220
review ratings and if it says like five

801
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,860
stars on IMDb people think automatically

802
00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:10,159
that it sucks and and we've been

803
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:12,659
attacked by people doing that and it's

804
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:15,600
like wow because most people that see

805
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,600
the film are pretty favorable to it and

806
00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:20,880
um and acid to think that there's people

807
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:22,440
out there doing that it's kind of lame

808
00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:24,299
so all you guys out there do me a favor

809
00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:26,279
if you've watched the film I'm not

810
00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:28,020
asking you to do anything fake reviews

811
00:32:33,049 --> 00:32:30,659
or anything but go on go to imdb.com

812
00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:33,059
leave it a star rating that you think it

813
00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:35,820
deserves uh just to help get that out of

814
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,500
there because uh there are definitely

815
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:39,360
some other people that that are trying

816
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:41,580
to drag this film to The Gutter and I'm

817
00:32:46,450 --> 00:32:44,100
not sure why that is you know I I deal

818
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:46,460
with that quite a bit on this channel

819
00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:50,340
and it's I don't understand why people

820
00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:54,120
put their energy into something that is

821
00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:56,520
you know but but

822
00:33:00,529 --> 00:32:58,919
I I can't think with their brain I'm not

823
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,539
sure what makes them think the way they

824
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,640
do and why yeah there's other people

825
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,500
with competing films there's other

826
00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:06,240
competing filmmakers that don't want to

827
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:09,000
see you become you know a preeminent

828
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,500
filmmaker and there's a lot of people

829
00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:12,720
out there that will play dirty and for

830
00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:15,240
this particular film you know I'm I'm

831
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,100
this film doesn't pull any punches it's

832
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:20,159
it's got the top guys and it doesn't and

833
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,659
we're not afraid to poke them in the eye

834
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,279
right on camera and we're not afraid to

835
00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:25,679
tell to to call out the government and

836
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:27,059
there was a lot of opposition to this

837
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:29,100
film the distributor was threatened I

838
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:31,080
personally was threatened

839
00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:33,000
um right up until the night it came out

840
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:35,220
and I saw it live on Amazon I wasn't

841
00:33:38,029 --> 00:33:36,720
even convinced for sure that it was

842
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:38,039
going to come out

843
00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:39,480
um I thought that something was going to

844
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:41,640
stop it and so

845
00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:43,980
um you know that it has been a tough

846
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:46,679
film to make and a very scary process

847
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:48,539
and you don't know who's on your side

848
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:50,700
from the distributor themselves to the

849
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,019
other people involved to the government

850
00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:54,960
to even people that are in the film not

851
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,419
actually willing to help the film so

852
00:34:02,029 --> 00:33:59,519
it's a it's been crazy absolutely crazy

853
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,039
yeah you just have to you have to move

854
00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:04,080
what I've found a long time ago is you

855
00:34:09,649 --> 00:34:06,840
just move on and and you know as long as

856
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:09,659
my guest is not being insulted in a bad

857
00:34:15,950 --> 00:34:14,220
way then um I let people kind of make uh

858
00:34:18,849 --> 00:34:15,960
well kind of show who they are I'll put

859
00:34:22,450 --> 00:34:18,859
it that way and other people can

860
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:22,460
choose what to say to those people

861
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,619
hey I'm not you know I I've got a thick

862
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,359
thick enough skin I certainly I hope

863
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,800
everybody loves the film but I know

864
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,720
that's not going to be the case I know

865
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:32,879
everybody's not going to like it and if

866
00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:34,500
uh and if somebody's got something to

867
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,659
say to me about it that is less than

868
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:38,639
favorable I'm happy to hear it

869
00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:40,379
um I think it just helps me to make a

870
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:42,060
better film but when people are just

871
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:43,980
harassing it for no reason somebody left

872
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:47,399
a review that said Tom Delong is fat and

873
00:34:51,169 --> 00:34:49,080
overweight and we shouldn't have called

874
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,179
him a rock star and left me two stars

875
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,520
what kind of nonsense is that you know

876
00:34:57,470 --> 00:34:55,919
really it's just like whoa really I mean

877
00:35:01,010 --> 00:34:57,480
there's people out there like that no

878
00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:01,020
wonder the aliens won't talk to us

879
00:35:06,829 --> 00:35:04,020
that's true and going back to your film

880
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:06,839
in 2011 I think you said it was a

881
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:10,079
five-disc set on disclosure in 2011. the

882
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:12,780
disclosure dialogues how many things

883
00:35:19,849 --> 00:35:15,660
have kind of come along similar to that

884
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:19,859
that have proven to be so that we're in

885
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:22,560
the those that set

886
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,660
you know I could have made that film in

887
00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:26,400
2017 it would have been the same film

888
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:28,619
you know it what people don't understand

889
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:31,380
that don't follow this stuff is that we

890
00:35:36,349 --> 00:35:34,140
are in this Perpetual rinse and repeat

891
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:36,359
cycle when it comes to disclosure it's

892
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,280
like oh it blows up in the press it has

893
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:40,320
its run and we get a little bit more

894
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,119
information but not really and then it

895
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:44,640
dies down again and and then everybody's

896
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:46,260
fighting for information for another 10

897
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,520
years

898
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,920
um the disclosure dialogues was all of

899
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,320
the people that have

900
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:55,200
big people in the field uh talking to

901
00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:56,160
each other

902
00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:58,440
about the whole disclosure topic and

903
00:36:02,030 --> 00:36:00,119
it's amazing it's like like I said it

904
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:02,040
could have come out in 2017 it still

905
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:03,839
would have been a relevant film

906
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,640
um so and it's for free on YouTube it's

907
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:07,920
called it could happen tomorrow it's out

908
00:36:12,250 --> 00:36:09,780
there somewhere it's definitely for free

909
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:12,260
on MoveOn TV

910
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,520
yeah that's great

911
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,079
um you know but you're right it's it's

912
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,480
like a recycle you know I heard I've

913
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,880
heard uh you know uh Chris lambright's a

914
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:22,560
long time friend of mine he's been

915
00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:26,160
paying attention to this for forever he

916
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:29,339
was you know he was there when um

917
00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:33,180
uh 1984 when I'm just trying to think of

918
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:35,339
his name came out and said he kind of

919
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:36,540
worked for the government

920
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:39,000
um who am I thinking of he wrote he

921
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:40,800
wrote a book with Stan Freeman on

922
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:42,599
Roswell

923
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:44,760
I can't think of his name right now

924
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,240
it wasn't Don was it no not Don Schmidt

925
00:36:50,829 --> 00:36:50,160
no anyway

926
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,839
um

927
00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:53,040
the point is Chris has been around

928
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:56,520
forever and he says oh yeah here we go

929
00:37:00,530 --> 00:36:59,339
again yeah here we go again that's what

930
00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:00,540
a lot of people are saying here we go

931
00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:02,700
again thanks thanks Anonymous giving me

932
00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:04,980
a little bit of encouragement yeah it

933
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:07,140
does seem it does seem different though

934
00:37:11,150 --> 00:37:09,480
doesn't it seem different like you said

935
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,160
just a I don't know a half hour ago it

936
00:37:15,290 --> 00:37:12,960
feels like it's going to break open it

937
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:15,300
does feel that way but has has it felt

938
00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:20,210
um not really like it is now I I do

939
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:22,020
think that there's going to be because

940
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:23,040
look

941
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:25,020
we're at a different time we're at a

942
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,700
time where we have technology we're at a

943
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,079
time where we have the web telescope

944
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:30,000
we're at a time where we have private

945
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:32,700
commercial space there you can only keep

946
00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:34,680
the stuff under wraps for so long I mean

947
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:36,300
you can only deny Life on Mars until

948
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,060
Elon accidentally lands on a pyramid uh

949
00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:41,760
you know it's like you just it there's

950
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:43,800
not going to be an ability to cover it

951
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,440
up these objects that we're seeing

952
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:48,480
um they're going to be seen

953
00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:51,359
more and more and more and since now

954
00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:52,740
we've identified these certain

955
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:55,020
characteristics and mufon is getting

956
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:57,420
reports left and right of of objects

957
00:38:02,510 --> 00:38:00,720
that display these characteristics and

958
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:02,520
the things that they're doing defy the

959
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,160
laws of physics if we think of the laws

960
00:38:08,569 --> 00:38:06,960
of physics like we are

961
00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:08,579
um you know that something can't go from

962
00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:10,740
space all the way through the air raised

963
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,900
14 miles in a second come down Splash

964
00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:14,720
into the water go underneath without

965
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,460
creating all kinds of problems with you

966
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:19,440
know structural integrity and everything

967
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,200
else and these objects are doing the

968
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,960
same thing now that John Alexander it

969
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,839
finally admits that he was studying 30

970
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,760
40 years ago with some of these same

971
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:31,920
guys I'll put off and you know Eric

972
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,560
Davis and or um

973
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:36,240
yeah Eric Davis and all these other

974
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:39,300
people this stuff is these objects were

975
00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:41,339
being uh observed doing the same thing

976
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:43,140
40 years ago it kind of rules out that

977
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:45,060
it's Russian or Chinese because we

978
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:48,060
barely had airplanes when uh when these

979
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:49,560
things were happening

980
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:53,700
so yeah it's different now because

981
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:55,740
it's getting harder and harder to deny

982
00:39:00,170 --> 00:38:57,780
the existence so but but it's also

983
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,180
impossible to admit what they've done to

984
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:02,160
cover it up so that we're getting this

985
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:04,020
dog and pony show and slow drip of

986
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:05,280
disclosure

987
00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:07,500
and and that's why they they can't keep

988
00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:09,300
it a secret for too much longer but they

989
00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:11,160
can't admit all the things that that

990
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,040
have gone into keeping it a secret

991
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:16,560
yeah well you know when things are say

992
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:19,920
coming into the orbit of the earth it

993
00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:22,500
seems like there would be satellites

994
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,740
that be able to detect this also

995
00:39:29,569 --> 00:39:27,359
if it's coming through the atmosphere

996
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,579
does it not have the effects like

997
00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:31,920
we do when we're trying to come back

998
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:34,680
into the atmosphere and we have you know

999
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:37,260
the high temperature coming because of

1000
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:40,260
the friction I mean do they defy all

1001
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:42,119
that I mean that's that's another thing

1002
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:44,820
I'm I'm always made me wonder another

1003
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:47,599
thing like if they are in a planetary

1004
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:50,940
Travelers and traveling say

1005
00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:52,980
as fast as the speed of light or faster

1006
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:55,560
or whatever it is they're doing and

1007
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:57,720
there's some space dust out there that

1008
00:40:02,089 --> 00:40:00,119
they collide with how does that you know

1009
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:02,099
I always think of these things and I

1010
00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:03,780
just wonder if you ever think of

1011
00:40:08,569 --> 00:40:06,180
things similar to that like how how

1012
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,579
could they travel without having a

1013
00:40:12,829 --> 00:40:11,280
collision with say a meteor you know or

1014
00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:12,839
whatever you want to call a fragment

1015
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:15,000
well you know clearly in order to hit

1016
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:17,700
the ocean it'd mock whatever or a super

1017
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:20,520
high speed you've got to be able to be

1018
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:22,140
generating some kind of a field that

1019
00:40:26,089 --> 00:40:24,420
negates the physical reality you know

1020
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:26,099
kind of like going out of phase turning

1021
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:28,740
a channel other as we mentioned in the

1022
00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:31,440
film our perception of space and time is

1023
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:33,540
deeply flawed and so how these things

1024
00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:35,579
are doing it is that you know they don't

1025
00:40:39,530 --> 00:40:37,619
defy the laws of physics they sidestep

1026
00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:39,540
them and and through some kind of

1027
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:42,119
technology and that seems to be that the

1028
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:44,220
consensus and I see somebody asking me

1029
00:40:48,890 --> 00:40:47,160
about the area 51 alien interview

1030
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,900
um one of those

1031
00:40:53,089 --> 00:40:51,599
was this guy named Oren Pelley who made

1032
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:53,099
a

1033
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:01,200
um

1034
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,820
oh I can't remember what it was called

1035
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:04,800
but anyway he was working on a on an

1036
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:08,520
Area 51 type uh UFO movie and one of

1037
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:10,500
those alien interviews is rumored to be

1038
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,780
what was the beginning of a uh an

1039
00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:15,119
internet breadcrumb campaign and that it

1040
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:17,339
was all fake but I don't know exactly

1041
00:41:20,089 --> 00:41:18,780
which one you're talking about but one

1042
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:20,099
of them was like that Paranormal

1043
00:41:25,069 --> 00:41:22,740
Activity he made that movie and then uh

1044
00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:25,079
he went on to make more and one of those

1045
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:26,520
like the black or white thing where the

1046
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:27,900
aliens kind of jerking around and

1047
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:29,160
supposedly

1048
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:30,599
um being filmed that's supposed to be

1049
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:37,250
um that's true so I want to play this

1050
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:41,160
other clip here let's see Robert Bigelow

1051
00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:44,339
I like to I like the clip you had of him

1052
00:41:48,410 --> 00:41:46,140
a couple of different clips

1053
00:41:50,569 --> 00:41:48,420
do you believe that UFOs have come to

1054
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:50,579
Earth there has been and is an existing

1055
00:41:54,829 --> 00:41:53,220
presence in the eating presence his

1056
00:41:57,069 --> 00:41:54,839
unshakable statement regarding the

1057
00:42:00,109 --> 00:41:57,079
reality of an extraterrestrial presence

1058
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,119
drew some media reaction

1059
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:02,400
its significance did not become clear

1060
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:05,820
until the story of Bigelow Aerospace and

1061
00:42:10,730 --> 00:42:08,480
its role in atip began to unfold

1062
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:10,740
confronted with the challenge of weaving

1063
00:42:15,250 --> 00:42:13,320
Robert Bigelow's informed beliefs into

1064
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:15,260
the story Chris Mellon had revealed

1065
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:18,720
melon said this there aren't many people

1066
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:21,420
associated with the The Establishment

1067
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:22,980
who are so bold

1068
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:25,680
and uh willing to make statements like

1069
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:28,260
that he has his own space stations in

1070
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,880
space I don't know who else has done

1071
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:31,380
that anybody he's done it for a long

1072
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:35,040
time so uh give the guy some credit he

1073
00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:42,230
yeah I like I like uh you have a couple

1074
00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:45,060
of uh times that you have Robert Bigelow

1075
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:48,599
and involved in your film and yeah he's

1076
00:42:54,410 --> 00:42:51,000
quite a character and boy he has done a

1077
00:42:56,750 --> 00:42:54,420
lot uh you know I mean he says himself

1078
00:42:59,150 --> 00:42:56,760
nobody's put more money into this than I

1079
00:43:02,210 --> 00:42:59,160
have and I do believe that

1080
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:02,220
you know the um I'll get cat M has a

1081
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:04,140
question I'll get to that next

1082
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:06,780
um Robert Bigelow

1083
00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:10,140
when when I asked Lou Elizondo is he in

1084
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,579
this film a lot when people say well

1085
00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:13,200
there's nothing new here that clip alone

1086
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:16,200
is a bombshell because Lou Elizondo is

1087
00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:18,839
responding to me asking him about what

1088
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:20,760
Robert Bigelow said on 60 Minutes about

1089
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:23,280
aliens and Lou Elizondo sits there and

1090
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:25,619
after he vouches for Bob he says give

1091
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:27,660
the guy some credit he knows what he's

1092
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,880
talking about that was Lou Elizondo

1093
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:32,160
acknowledging that Robert what Robert

1094
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:34,020
Bigelow said and acknowledging that it's

1095
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:36,119
true and you know I'm sorry that maybe

1096
00:43:41,450 --> 00:43:37,319
there's people that watch the movie

1097
00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:41,460
where that went but uh yeah that was uh

1098
00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:43,380
that was corroboration for that coming

1099
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:45,960
from somebody who would know and um and

1100
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:47,220
there's a lot of that in the movie and

1101
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,540
sometimes you have to watch for it and

1102
00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:49,920
sometimes you have to listen for it and

1103
00:43:53,450 --> 00:43:51,240
sometimes you have to make up your own

1104
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:53,460
mind except with Gary Nolan he said oh

1105
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:56,720
yeah that's another accidental truth

1106
00:44:01,550 --> 00:43:59,640
I'm like Gary you know you told one guy

1107
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:01,560
you've been studying materials but not

1108
00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:02,940
from the government and you told another

1109
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:04,619
guy that you've been studying materials

1110
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,060
but you can't show them because they're

1111
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:08,640
classified so so which is it and um yeah

1112
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:10,380
that's when he says uh yeah I can't say

1113
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:12,060
anything more that was pretty cool yeah

1114
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:13,980
somebody asked about skin walk or Ranch

1115
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:16,800
yes we touched on Skinwalker Ranch in

1116
00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:19,440
the movie because John Alexander who's

1117
00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:21,720
one of the main guys in in my film

1118
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:23,819
admitting things that that we all knew

1119
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:25,980
were true about him

1120
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:28,200
um he was with Robert Bigelow the day

1121
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:29,760
they bought Skinwalker Ranch and he

1122
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:31,020
actually went and spent the night there

1123
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:33,540
the first night all by himself

1124
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,140
um

1125
00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:36,720
and this guy is like I joke around about

1126
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:38,520
John it's like if there was ever a guy

1127
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:39,780
that could tell you but he'd have to

1128
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,300
kill you it's John Alexander this guy's

1129
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,400
knee-deep and all his stuff going way

1130
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:46,800
back he know he knows a lot more than

1131
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,540
he's ever gonna tell us but he tells us

1132
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:50,400
a lot more than he's ever told us before

1133
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:53,460
in accidental truth and he does he does

1134
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:55,319
it on purpose I mean he does it by

1135
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:57,000
accident I've interviewed him three

1136
00:45:01,550 --> 00:44:58,980
times by the third time I've really I

1137
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:01,560
knew the questions to ask and it's

1138
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:04,200
pretty good but yeah Robert Bigelow in

1139
00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:05,940
that that clip with Lou Elizondo saying

1140
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,319
give the guy some credit he knows what

1141
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:09,839
he's talking about that's huge I mean

1142
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:11,460
that's as close to a bombshell as we're

1143
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,020
gonna get except for some of the other

1144
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:16,560
Bombshells in the movie right yeah yeah

1145
00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:19,140
uh I know when you talk to Lou you want

1146
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:21,060
to say Lou can't you just kind of tell

1147
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,480
me something off off the Record

1148
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:26,400
and you know like when you're talking to

1149
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,380
him off here but you know he's gonna

1150
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,280
he's gonna not uh

1151
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:33,599
he'll drop you a couple of things you

1152
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,920
know but he's been pretty pretty good

1153
00:45:39,050 --> 00:45:36,900
about saying stuff in public but you

1154
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:39,060
know the the other gotcha on Lou that's

1155
00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:40,980
later on in the movie about you know

1156
00:45:47,569 --> 00:45:43,740
there is a day that was that was huge

1157
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,579
that was like uh yeah okay

1158
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:49,440
the reason the film's called accidental

1159
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:50,760
truth is is

1160
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:51,420
um

1161
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:53,220
I think the definitions in the beginning

1162
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:55,380
and accidental truth is what happens

1163
00:46:01,849 --> 00:46:00,180
when uh words and evidence lead one to a

1164
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,859
conclusion that was not originally

1165
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,079
intended to be revealed and that's

1166
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:05,760
that's there's a lot of those in this

1167
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:07,560
film it's like you know all you have to

1168
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:08,579
do is look at what they're saying

1169
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:10,260
compared to the evidence that we're

1170
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:12,180
presenting from other sources mostly

1171
00:46:17,050 --> 00:46:14,700
government documents and draw your own

1172
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:17,060
conclusions

1173
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,880
so a guy like you I imagine is already

1174
00:46:25,569 --> 00:46:22,800
on to something else

1175
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,579
what do you are you working on anything

1176
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:28,319
related to this topic at this time

1177
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:31,319
besides you know what you do with mufon

1178
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:33,480
well Buffon is an ongoing thing be in

1179
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:34,920
their media relations director I'm

1180
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,440
constantly doing it move on stuff and

1181
00:46:42,170 --> 00:46:39,839
then I'm working on mufon's TV shows

1182
00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:42,180
that I make for the channel I see David

1183
00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:44,280
Martin how can you trust Lou

1184
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:46,440
once you're somebody who's in this

1185
00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:48,060
community this intelligence Community

1186
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:51,240
you are working for life if you were to

1187
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,920
go to Lou Elizondo right now and say are

1188
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:54,240
you sure you're not in the middle of an

1189
00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:57,000
OP to to bring this form of disclosure

1190
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:58,380
forward he's not going to tell you

1191
00:47:02,569 --> 00:46:59,640
you're wrong

1192
00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:02,579
um so yeah I mean I I personally believe

1193
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:04,440
that Lou is still working I believe that

1194
00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:05,700
he knows what he can say and what he

1195
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,859
can't say and that he's taking guidance

1196
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:10,319
from people that are in charge of

1197
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:12,660
whatever this weird rollout is so I

1198
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,980
don't know it's not that you can trust

1199
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:15,359
Lou or not

1200
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:18,359
he's a he's a patriot who's abiding by

1201
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:22,920
his sworn duty to um to obey his orders

1202
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:25,140
so anyways another here's another since

1203
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:26,579
we're on this

1204
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,520
um I wouldn't say there's numerous

1205
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:32,160
um I know that there was a goth

1206
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:35,339
um who said that and but that was not so

1207
00:47:43,010 --> 00:47:39,540
and Harry Reid actually backed uh Lou up

1208
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:43,020
yeah right in writing in writing yeah

1209
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:44,640
look see one thing people don't

1210
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:46,380
understand is that there's a there's

1211
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:48,180
very strange ways that these programs

1212
00:47:52,849 --> 00:47:50,280
work Lou was actually in the military

1213
00:47:54,170 --> 00:47:52,859
for a long time and and he did do the

1214
00:47:56,210 --> 00:47:54,180
things that he says he does in the

1215
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,220
military but then after the military he

1216
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,079
worked for various civilian contractors

1217
00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:00,000
who are under contract with the

1218
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,280
government and so

1219
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:04,079
um his work in the program and then of

1220
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:06,900
course when it became quote unquote atip

1221
00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:09,480
um that was really just a nickname for

1222
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:12,300
what carried on into the DIA as as kind

1223
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,300
of an ad hoc sort of program and when I

1224
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,480
say ad hoc it's there's a lot of times

1225
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,880
people in military a bunch of guys that

1226
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,040
have an interest in a certain topic can

1227
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,160
get together and do unofficial things

1228
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,800
that are away from Freedom of

1229
00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:31,200
Information Act requests but they still

1230
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:33,060
have all the resources and access to all

1231
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,319
the classified materials all the

1232
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:36,480
clearances and they can run they can run

1233
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:37,619
a little programs and little

1234
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,380
investigative groups and and and it's

1235
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:43,200
very common not only just in fo stuff

1236
00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:45,060
but in all kinds of different subjects

1237
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:46,980
then and they call them like ad hoc

1238
00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:51,119
groups so there's a whole Maze of things

1239
00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:53,640
that that come into play or lose

1240
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:55,500
concerned but no he really did what he

1241
00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:56,819
said he did and he's really doing what

1242
00:49:02,990 --> 00:48:59,819
he says he's doing and um efforts to

1243
00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:03,000
debunk him he's fought back he's we we

1244
00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:05,339
show it in the film he went to uh he

1245
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:07,859
hired Danny Sheehan and and basically

1246
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:10,500
went into the DIA and you guys have to

1247
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:13,680
stop this you you cannot disavow me and

1248
00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:15,900
so I'm not interested in debating The

1249
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,180
credibility of luellizando

1250
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:21,599
um he's a he's a intelligence asset uh

1251
00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:24,300
and a patriot who's doing his job

1252
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,579
whether you like him or not but but I do

1253
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,800
believe that he's done the work he says

1254
00:49:33,650 --> 00:49:30,839
he's done well I've been trying to get

1255
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:33,660
Danny Sheehan on this show forever so

1256
00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:36,119
I'm going to ask you to help me too yeah

1257
00:49:41,450 --> 00:49:38,520
I'll say I'll text you I yeah I asked

1258
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,460
the guest last week for that uh but uh

1259
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:43,920
yeah I mean I'd love to have him on at

1260
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,560
some point he he would make a a great

1261
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:49,200
guess because of his whole angle

1262
00:49:53,809 --> 00:49:51,480
um and interest on this topic and what

1263
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,819
he's done he's done a lot of good well

1264
00:49:57,890 --> 00:49:55,920
Danny Sheehan is I mean the guys are

1265
00:49:59,920 --> 00:49:57,900
forced to be reckoned with

1266
00:50:02,050 --> 00:49:59,930
um

1267
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:02,060
[Music]

1268
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:04,560
excuse me okay Stephen that's enough

1269
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:07,920
that's all right uh anyway uh Stephen I

1270
00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:09,900
did debate Lou how do you think I got

1271
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:11,460
how do you think I was used I got to use

1272
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:13,140
this interview in the film you know I

1273
00:50:18,349 --> 00:50:14,940
shot this interview with Lou Elizondo in

1274
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:18,359
2018 and then he was immediately locked

1275
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:20,460
up by his handlers he wasn't allowed to

1276
00:50:24,650 --> 00:50:23,220
oh yeah that's appearances there's a lot

1277
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,660
of blue Elizondo out there but it's

1278
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:26,400
always in a zoom call there's no studio

1279
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:28,380
quality interviews with him that aren't

1280
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,579
owned by uh a e or ttsa this interview I

1281
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,079
have with Lou much of which is

1282
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:36,480
unpublished is the one of the only

1283
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,000
interviews of this nature that exists of

1284
00:50:43,609 --> 00:50:42,000
him and believe me it was I didn't pull

1285
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:43,619
any punches with him in any of these

1286
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:44,940
conversations

1287
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,420
that's great yeah I no you it's it's a

1288
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:51,359
great it's a great really uh I really

1289
00:50:55,130 --> 00:50:52,380
enjoyed

1290
00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:55,140
that film I like the questions that were

1291
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:57,660
asked I like where people went and I

1292
00:51:03,109 --> 00:50:59,819
thought it was uh very informative and

1293
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:03,119
I'm really glad whether I had come

1294
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:04,740
across your film accidentally The

1295
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,500
Accidental truth or some other way I

1296
00:51:11,809 --> 00:51:09,839
would have enjoyed it no matter what

1297
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:11,819
you know so I just really thought it was

1298
00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:16,740
a good a very good film about this topic

1299
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:18,180
um and again like you said for a lot of

1300
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:21,240
people coming into it it was not that's

1301
00:51:25,069 --> 00:51:23,400
where a lot of people go wrong when

1302
00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:25,079
they're making a film they're making a

1303
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,720
film oh yeah we already know this well

1304
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:30,000
we don't you know there's a lot of new

1305
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:31,619
new people I think I think if you're

1306
00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:33,000
paying attention there's a lot of things

1307
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:35,700
in this film that you don't know and as

1308
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:37,380
because I didn't want to make a film

1309
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:38,819
that was boring to people that are into

1310
00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:40,619
the topic but I had to make a film that

1311
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:42,540
would bring your average you know bar

1312
00:51:46,849 --> 00:51:45,180
stool Aficionado up to speed and I had

1313
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:46,859
to kind of balance like you know

1314
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,660
admittedly the first 30 minutes of the

1315
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:50,160
film is like a history lesson but I

1316
00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:52,380
tried to keep that fresh as well

1317
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:53,940
um with new information there's an

1318
00:51:57,290 --> 00:51:55,140
interview with Edgar Mitchell that

1319
00:52:00,890 --> 00:51:57,300
nobody's ever seen so we have a question

1320
00:52:02,270 --> 00:52:00,900
from um uh somebody about the NASA

1321
00:52:04,670 --> 00:52:02,280
hearing

1322
00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:04,680
NASA's been lying about life on Mars

1323
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:07,140
since 1976 and then when they announced

1324
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:09,000
to all of our I mean we're all very

1325
00:52:12,650 --> 00:52:10,440
happy that they're going to start

1326
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:12,660
looking at the UAP phenomenon it's like

1327
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,559
really NASA thank you so whatever by

1328
00:52:19,849 --> 00:52:18,720
whatever prediction I have for for what

1329
00:52:22,250 --> 00:52:19,859
well that's right it's tomorrow tomorrow

1330
00:52:24,049 --> 00:52:22,260
that's right um I'm thinking you know I

1331
00:52:26,210 --> 00:52:24,059
think the next step for NASA is going to

1332
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,220
be to admit that we've found definitive

1333
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,800
evidence of Life on Mars even if it's

1334
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:30,960
microbial that's going to be the next

1335
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:32,160
thing from them so we get a big

1336
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:34,200
announcement it's going to be that

1337
00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:34,980
um

1338
00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:36,839
that's my prediction that if there's

1339
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,760
anything groundbreaking from NASA it

1340
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:41,040
will be evidence of Life existing or

1341
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:43,020
having existed on Mars

1342
00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:45,300
um or maybe the web telescope picked up

1343
00:52:49,309 --> 00:52:46,859
another planet and there's lights and

1344
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,319
Factory smoke coming off the surface you

1345
00:52:52,690 --> 00:52:51,119
know something like that but life life

1346
00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:52,700
on Mars probably

1347
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,839
if there's going to be anything ground

1348
00:52:59,089 --> 00:52:57,359
groundbreaking it's going to be that

1349
00:53:01,069 --> 00:52:59,099
um that they've they've detected Signs

1350
00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:01,079
of Life they didn't really put too much

1351
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:04,200
money into this research of UAP I think

1352
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:06,300
it was like a hundred thousand dollars

1353
00:53:10,569 --> 00:53:08,280
or something it's kind of a joke it's

1354
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,579
like yes you know these people it's like

1355
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:13,200
hey I'm a government agency and I've got

1356
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:15,000
some really cool letters arranged on my

1357
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:16,680
refrigerator door so I'd like to create

1358
00:53:21,049 --> 00:53:19,260
a new UFO program yeah and it's just

1359
00:53:24,589 --> 00:53:21,059
another compartment where things can get

1360
00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:24,599
lost and buried money on Band-Aids but

1361
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:26,700
yeah but anyway thank you so much it's

1362
00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:28,680
been a real pleasure Ron always always

1363
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:30,420
fun talking to you

1364
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:32,220
so uh can we give people a link to the

1365
00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:34,500
film yeah it's right down if you look

1366
00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:36,059
below right in the text of this YouTube

1367
00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:37,619
video and it'll be in the show notes as

1368
00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:39,780
well awesome and that's taking them to

1369
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,540
the trailer or the website or both yep

1370
00:53:47,150 --> 00:53:44,880
you guys rock hey everybody out there

1371
00:53:48,829 --> 00:53:47,160
that's I'm seeing so much nice things in

1372
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,839
in the in the chat room and it means a

1373
00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:50,400
lot anybody out there that's seen the

1374
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:52,619
film thank you for supporting it and if

1375
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:55,020
you haven't seen it uh you know I really

1376
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,460
hope you check it out and I really hope

1377
00:53:59,390 --> 00:53:58,079
you like it and I care more about what

1378
00:54:01,309 --> 00:53:59,400
you think about the film that I care

1379
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,319
about the two dollars or whatever I'll

1380
00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:03,359
make off you renting it I made this film

1381
00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:04,740
to put out in the world and it's my

1382
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,839
contribution to this field and I'm

1383
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,180
honored to have been able to do it good

1384
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:12,480
job all right thanks a lot Ron take care

1385
00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:16,440
bye all right next week we will what

1386
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:18,420
happened here here we go next week we'll

1387
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:21,180
be back with Tony Harris from uh the

1388
00:54:25,069 --> 00:54:22,980
proof is out there the History Channels

1389
00:54:26,809 --> 00:54:25,079
is going to be uh premiering on the

1390
00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:26,819
ninth and we'll be back with him next

1391
00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:29,940
week so thank you all and whoops I don't

1392
00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:32,460
know how that came up I'm trying to get

1393
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:35,880
back to to close out the show thank you

1394
00:54:41,210 --> 00:54:37,020
everyone and we'll see you next week

1395
00:54:41,220 --> 00:54:49,330
foreign